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The HUGE library of Iron History compiled by Joe Roark.
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Joe Roark has been studying the iron game since 1957, and by 1970 began a systematic gathering of information on index cards. By the time his first computer was acquired, there were several hundred thousand references to be typed into it.
For a few years he published his own newsletter called MuscleSearch: The Roark Report. By 1992 he was appointed as the IFBB Men's Bodybuilding Historian, and began writing about history for FLEX in his column Factoids. For ten years he contributed to Iron Game History from the U of Texas at Austin. Recently he also began writing All Our Yesterdays for FLEX.
His passion has always been the period between 1880 and 1920, with particular emphasis on the oldtime strongmen of that era. Joe will be offering bits of history for Cyberpump once per week, and the text will be relevant to the dates of the calendar for those events of yesteryear relevant to the coming week.
In this column, readers will also be able to ask Joe questions or comment on his posts. Note: The comments are solely for interaction between Joe and the readers only -- not reader to reader.
5/29/2009: Joe Roark's Guide to Iron Game Magazine Coverpersons Through 1999 - At - Az
Thursday, May 28, 2009
( A - Z )
JOE ROARK
IFBB Men's Historian, P.O.Box 320 St. Joseph, IL 61873THE COVER APPEARANCES OF MEN AND WOMEN ON BODYBUILDING MAGS through 1999.
Code abbreviations for various magazines:Adonis Adonis
BAWB British Amateur Weightlifter & BBer
BBW Body Beautiful (Weider)
BodyBeaut Body Beautful (Paschall)
BI Body International
BIH Bodybuilding an Illustrated History
BL Bodybuilding Lifestyles
Body & Pow Body & Power
BT Body Training
CB Chicago Bodybuilder (later, The Bodybuilder)
DBN Delaware Bodybuilding News
Demigods Demi-Gods (Weider)
DIG Muscle Digest
EX Excel
F Flex
FemILL Female Illustrated
FPP means full page pho(tos)
FemBB Female Bodybuilding
FMN Florida Muscle News [Florida Muscle Plus]
FPA Female Physique Athlete
Fla.WM Florida Weight Man (Hale)
GLFG Great Lakes Fitness Guide
HIT High Intensity Training [Hard Training]
HS Health & Strength
IG Iron Game
IGH Iron Game History
IS Iron Sport
IM Ironman
I.MAST The Iron Master
IOL International Olympic Lifter
IS Iron Sport
Jem Jem
KB Klein's Bell
LA The Lady Athlete
LN Lifting News
M2000 Muscle Media
Mr.A Mr. America
Mr.A (AAA) Mr. America (All American Athlete)
Mr.U Mr. Universe (Reg Park)
Mr.UW Mr. Universe (Weider)
M&BB Muscle & Bodybuilder
MaxM Max Muscle
MB Muscle Builder
MB[MacF] Muscle Builder by MacFadden
MBN Modern Bodybuilding Newspaper
MD Muscular Development
ME Muscle Elegance
MF Muscle & Fitness
MFH Muscle & Fitness HERS
MILO MILO
MMA Muscle Mag Annual
MMI Muscle Mag International
MMOO Mighty Men of Old
ModM Model Man
MP Muscle Power
M&P Muscle & Power
MS Muscle Sculpture
MTI Muscle Training Illustrated
Mus & Beaut Muscle & Beauty
MusBoy Muscleboy (Weider)
MusCo Muscle & Company
MusMan Muscleman
MusUP (or M-up) Muscle UP
MW Muscle World
Mwest Muscle WestMagazine & Book code for Joe Roark's Files (con't)
NatM Natural Muscle
NatBB Natural Bodybuilding
NatPhy Natural Physique
NBF Natural Body & Fitness
NPC NPC News
OX Oxygen
PC Physical Culture
PD Power Digest
PH Powerhouse
Phy Physical
PI Physiques International
PLUSA Powerlifting USA
PM Planet Muscle
PP Physical Power
PPP Parrillo Performance Press
Ppress Pumping Press (McGough)
PUMP Pump
RENO Reno's WL Newsletter
RPJ Reg Park Journal
S Strength
SA Super Athletes
SA The Strength Athlete
SAK Strength Athlete (Kirkley)
SFit Sports Fitness
SH Strength & Health
SJ Steele Jungle
Sly Phy Sleek Physique
SOS Sons of Samson
SOS2 Sons of Samson 2
SPA Superior Physique Association
STFB Strength Training for Beauty
Strongman The Strongman
Superman Superman
T Testosterone
THG The Hard Gainer
Vim Vim (Eells)
WASP Womens and Strength Periodical/Publication
WO Workout for Fitness
WPP Women's Physique Publication
WPW Women's Physique World
WSP Women's Strength Periodical
WWL World Weightlifting
YP Your Physique
Young Young Physique
Atanasio, Paul SH: Apr 1944Atherton, Janet SH: Nov 1984
Atlas, Charles Superman: Nov 1935
HS: Dec 1942Atton, Sherry SPA: Mar/Apr 1983
Aukland, Lisa WPW: Mar 2000r
Ausmus, Don MD: Apr 1983
Austin, Bronston MU: Aug 1981
MTI: Sep 1981Austin, Dan PLUSA: Jun 1988 Nov 1989
PLUSA: Jan 1992 Jan 1993
PLUSA Jan 1997Austin, Denise WFB: Sep 1996
Austin, Willie PLUSA: Sep 1989
Austopchuck, Alexander SH: Jul 1943
Avey, Nikki PLUSA: Jun 1996
Avigliano, Joe PLUSA: Mar 1999
Avigliano, Nance PLUSA: Mar 1999
Avila, Jose SH: Mar 1955
Axell, Kathy IM: Oct 1989
Aybar, Tommy MTI: Mar/Apr 1966
IM: Jul 1967rAzirovic, Bari SPA: May 1982
SH: Sep 1982Posted by TheEditor @ 08:31 PM CST
5/22/2009: Joe Roark's Guide to Iron Game Magazine Coverpersons Through 1999 - Al - As
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
( A - Z )
JOE ROARK
IFBB Men's Historian, P.O.Box 320 St. Joseph, IL 61873THE COVER APPEARANCES OF MEN AND WOMEN ON BODYBUILDING MAGS through 1999.
Code abbreviations for various magazines:Adonis Adonis
BAWB British Amateur Weightlifter & BBer
BBW Body Beautiful (Weider)
BodyBeaut Body Beautful (Paschall)
BI Body International
BIH Bodybuilding an Illustrated History
BL Bodybuilding Lifestyles
Body & Pow Body & Power
BT Body Training
CB Chicago Bodybuilder (later, The Bodybuilder)
DBN Delaware Bodybuilding News
Demigods Demi-Gods (Weider)
DIG Muscle Digest
EX Excel
F Flex
FemILL Female Illustrated
FPP means full page pho(tos)
FemBB Female Bodybuilding
FMN Florida Muscle News [Florida Muscle Plus]
FPA Female Physique Athlete
Fla.WM Florida Weight Man (Hale)
GLFG Great Lakes Fitness Guide
HIT High Intensity Training [Hard Training]
HS Health & Strength
IG Iron Game
IGH Iron Game History
IS Iron Sport
IM Ironman
I.MAST The Iron Master
IOL International Olympic Lifter
IS Iron Sport
Jem Jem
KB Klein's Bell
LA The Lady Athlete
LN Lifting News
M2000 Muscle Media
Mr.A Mr. America
Mr.A (AAA) Mr. America (All American Athlete)
Mr.U Mr. Universe (Reg Park)
Mr.UW Mr. Universe (Weider)
M&BB Muscle & Bodybuilder
MaxM Max Muscle
MB Muscle Builder
MB[MacF] Muscle Builder by MacFadden
MBN Modern Bodybuilding Newspaper
MD Muscular Development
ME Muscle Elegance
MF Muscle & Fitness
MFH Muscle & Fitness HERS
MILO MILO
MMA Muscle Mag Annual
MMI Muscle Mag International
MMOO Mighty Men of Old
ModM Model Man
MP Muscle Power
M&P Muscle & Power
MS Muscle Sculpture
MTI Muscle Training Illustrated
Mus & Beaut Muscle & Beauty
MusBoy Muscleboy (Weider)
MusCo Muscle & Company
MusMan Muscleman
MusUP (or M-up) Muscle UP
MW Muscle World
Mwest Muscle WestMagazine & Book code for Joe Roark's Files (con't)
NatM Natural Muscle
NatBB Natural Bodybuilding
NatPhy Natural Physique
NBF Natural Body & Fitness
NPC NPC News
OX Oxygen
PC Physical Culture
PD Power Digest
PH Powerhouse
Phy Physical
PI Physiques International
PLUSA Powerlifting USA
PM Planet Muscle
PP Physical Power
PPP Parrillo Performance Press
Ppress Pumping Press (McGough)
PUMP Pump
RENO Reno's WL Newsletter
RPJ Reg Park Journal
S Strength
SA Super Athletes
SA The Strength Athlete
SAK Strength Athlete (Kirkley)
SFit Sports Fitness
SH Strength & Health
SJ Steele Jungle
Sly Phy Sleek Physique
SOS Sons of Samson
SOS2 Sons of Samson 2
SPA Superior Physique Association
STFB Strength Training for Beauty
Strongman The Strongman
Superman Superman
T Testosterone
THG The Hard Gainer
Vim Vim (Eells)
WASP Womens and Strength Periodical/Publication
WO Workout for Fitness
WPP Women's Physique Publication
WPW Women's Physique World
WSP Women's Strength Periodical
WWL World Weightlifting
YP Your Physique
Young Young Physique
Amato, Chuck Mr.A: Nov 1962
IM: Jul 1971r
Sep 1971r
Jul 1972rAmstler, Robert M2000: Oct 1998
Andersch, Erika MD: Mar 1992 Feb 1994
MMI: Sep 1993 Jan 1995Andersen, Ingrid MF: Jul 1981
Anderson, Arvid Strongman: Feb 1932
Anderson, Dinah LA: Jan 1982
F: May 1996Anderson, Jamal MD: Jan 2000
Anderson, Krista STFB: Oct 1986
MMI: Oct 1989Anderson, Loni MTI: Jan 1981
Anderson, Paul MILO: Apr 1993
PLUSA: Dec 1985 Oct 1994
I.Mast: Jan 1992Anderson, Ryan MD 'Special Collector's issue' 1999
Anderson, Sylvester PLUSA:Apr 1988 Jan 1993
Anderson, Tatiana IM: Dec 1998
Andrea, Michelle MMI: Jun 1992
F Feb 1995
FemBB Jan 1995Andrews, Mark MF: Jul 1998
Anello, Vince PLUSA: Jun 1978 Sep 1980
PLUSA: Jul 1999Ang, Clancy HS: Nov 29, 1962 Dec 16, 1962
Anglin, Michelle PH: Jan 1994
Anne-Marie WASP: Jul 20, 1979
Annibal Men's Fitness: Aug 1988
Antorino, Mike MU: Apr 1980 Feb 1983
MD: Oct 1982 Dec 1985
IM: Nov 1982r Jan 1986Apgar, Janee Mr.A: Oct 1962
Apperson, Lee MMI: Nov 1992 Mar 1995 Dec 1999
MMI Special Abs issue Spring 2000
IM: May 1996 Jun 1998Applewhite, Roger M2000 May 1997 Mar 1998
Apollon I.MAST Sep 1995
Arands, Henry MP: Nov 1946
Aranita, Jon MU: Dec 1981
DIG: Mar 1982
IM: May 1986Arcidi, Ted IM: Sep 1985r
PLUSA: Nov 1984 May 1985
PLUSA: Feb 1987 Nov 1990Arco, Otto MB[MacF]: Nov 1925
Strongman: Jul 1931Ardenti, Alex MMI: Jun 1999
Aregullin, Kathy F: Dec 1997
Arenberg, Jon PLUSA Jan 1997
Ariagno, Ron MF: Dec 1985
Arlen, Billy MD: Apr 1982
MTI: Sep 1982Armstrong, Kathleen SH: Apr 1974
Armstrong, Robert HS: Feb 2, 1956
BAWB: Jul 1955Arnaz, Desi CB: Dec 1946
Arntz, Jason MMI: Apr 1996
IM: Sep 1998Aronis, Alex YP: Feb 1951
MP: Apr 1951
MB: May 1954Arrildt, Sharon WPW: Fall 1987
(later Marvel, Sharon) MTI: Jan 1990
WPP: Jul/Aug/Sep 1989r
#3-1990rAshcraft, Angie WPW: Sep/Oct 1994r
Ashley, Mike IM: Sep 1987
NPC: Jul 1990
F: Oct 1987
PPP: Jan 2000Ashman, Dave SH: Apr 1959
Asmus, Roger MD: Aug 1998 Oct 1998
Asnis, Dave SH: Aug 1939 Mar 1940
YP: Mar 1941Assante, Veronique WASP: Jul 20, 1979
Asselin, Pierre MTI: Jan 1984
Posted by TheEditor @ 06:21 AM CST
5/15/2009: Joe Roark's Guide to Iron Game Magazine Coverpersons Through 1999 - A - Al
Thursday, May 14, 2009
( A - Z )
JOE ROARK
IFBB Men's Historian, P.O.Box 320 St. Joseph, IL 61873THE COVER APPEARANCES OF MEN AND WOMEN ON BODYBUILDING MAGS through 1999.
Code abbreviations for various magazines:Adonis Adonis
BAWB British Amateur Weightlifter & BBer
BBW Body Beautiful (Weider)
BodyBeaut Body Beautful (Paschall)
BI Body International
BIH Bodybuilding an Illustrated History
BL Bodybuilding Lifestyles
Body & Pow Body & Power
BT Body Training
CB Chicago Bodybuilder (later, The Bodybuilder)
DBN Delaware Bodybuilding News
Demigods Demi-Gods (Weider)
DIG Muscle Digest
EX Excel
F Flex
FemILL Female Illustrated
FPP means full page pho(tos)
FemBB Female Bodybuilding
FMN Florida Muscle News [Florida Muscle Plus]
FPA Female Physique Athlete
Fla.WM Florida Weight Man (Hale)
GLFG Great Lakes Fitness Guide
HIT High Intensity Training [Hard Training]
HS Health & Strength
IG Iron Game
IGH Iron Game History
IS Iron Sport
IM Ironman
I.MAST The Iron Master
IOL International Olympic Lifter
IS Iron Sport
Jem Jem
KB Klein's Bell
LA The Lady Athlete
LN Lifting News
M2000 Muscle Media
Mr.A Mr. America
Mr.A (AAA) Mr. America (All American Athlete)
Mr.U Mr. Universe (Reg Park)
Mr.UW Mr. Universe (Weider)
M&BB Muscle & Bodybuilder
MaxM Max Muscle
MB Muscle Builder
MB[MacF] Muscle Builder by MacFadden
MBN Modern Bodybuilding Newspaper
MD Muscular Development
ME Muscle Elegance
MF Muscle & Fitness
MFH Muscle & Fitness HERS
MILO MILO
MMA Muscle Mag Annual
MMI Muscle Mag International
MMOO Mighty Men of Old
ModM Model Man
MP Muscle Power
M&P Muscle & Power
MS Muscle Sculpture
MTI Muscle Training Illustrated
Mus & Beaut Muscle & Beauty
MusBoy Muscleboy (Weider)
MusCo Muscle & Company
MusMan Muscleman
MusUP (or M-up) Muscle UP
MW Muscle World
Mwest Muscle WestMagazine & Book code for Joe Roark's Files (con't)
NatM Natural Muscle
NatBB Natural Bodybuilding
NatPhy Natural Physique
NBF Natural Body & Fitness
NPC NPC News
OX Oxygen
PC Physical Culture
PD Power Digest
PH Powerhouse
Phy Physical
PI Physiques International
PLUSA Powerlifting USA
PM Planet Muscle
PP Physical Power
PPP Parrillo Performance Press
Ppress Pumping Press (McGough)
PUMP Pump
RENO Reno's WL Newsletter
RPJ Reg Park Journal
S Strength
SA Super Athletes
SA The Strength Athlete
SAK Strength Athlete (Kirkley)
SFit Sports Fitness
SH Strength & Health
SJ Steele Jungle
Sly Phy Sleek Physique
SOS Sons of Samson
SOS2 Sons of Samson 2
SPA Superior Physique Association
STFB Strength Training for Beauty
Strongman The Strongman
Superman Superman
T Testosterone
THG The Hard Gainer
Vim Vim (Eells)
WASP Womens and Strength Periodical/Publication
WO Workout for Fitness
WPP Women's Physique Publication
WPW Women's Physique World
WSP Women's Strength Periodical
WWL World Weightlifting
YP Your Physique
Young Young Physique
Abbenda, Joe SH: Nov 1962
Jul 1965
MD: Sep 1964
H&S: Jun 28, 1962
Nov 1, 1962
Nov 15, 1962
Oct 17, 1963
Feb 6, 1964
Sep 1, 1966Abbondandelo, Carmen SH: Nov 1956
Abele, Louis SH: Nov 1940
IM: 3:6 1940Abernethy, Beth NBF: Oct/Nov 1988
Abrecht, Bill SH: Sep 1942
Aceto, Chris MD: Jun 1992
Aceved, Alex NPC: Sep 1991
Acosta, Ken Body Beaut: Jun 1955 r
Adams, Jill HS: May 23, 1957
Adams, Jodie PPP: Mar 1994
Adams, Nick SH: Jul 1964
Adams, Rhonda M2000: Jan 1997
Adams, Sandy MMI: Feb 1994
Adelman, Kristen NatM: Jun 1998
Addison, Cecil HS: Feb 4, 1954 Jun 24, 1954
HS: Jan 20, 1955Adrian, Dale MTI: Nov 1975 Mar 1977
IM: Sep 1975
SH: Dec/Jan 1976
MD: Sep/Oct 1975
DIG: Dec 1976Adrian, Holly SH: Dec/Jan 1976
Adrian, Vicki SH: Dec/Jan 1976
Affrunti, Frank MP: Mar 1947 & Mar 1947r
MP: Jul 1946rAhola, Jouka MILO Dec 1998
Aich, Monohar RPJ: Apr 1955
BAWB: Oct 1952 Mar 1955
HS: Nov 27, 1952
May 13, 1954
Sep 29, 1955
Mar 15, 1956Aja SJ: Sep 1999
Almeida, Madeline LS: Apr 1981
Alan, Richard MB: Feb 1955 May 1955
(see Allen,Richard) Adonis: Apr 1955Alberici, Maria Elena SH: Aug 1972
Albert, Ernest HS: Sep 7, 1950 Dec 14, 1950
Albrecht, Achim F: Sep 1991 Nov 1992
F: Apr 1995 Jul 1995
F: Mar 1996
MF: Apr 1992 Dec 1993
MF: Dec 1994 Jun 1996Aldon, Lynda MF: Mar 1987
Alexander, April PUMP: Jul 1999
Alexander, Ausby PLUSA: May 1987 Jun 1989
Alexander, Kris WPP: Jul/Aug 1983
LA: Oct 1983
DIG: Jun 1984
STFB: Jul 1984
MF: Nov 1984
SlyPhy: Fall 1984 Feb 1985
Muscle & Beauty Aug 1985
WPW Sep 1998Alexeev, Vassily SH: Dec 1972
IS: Sep/Oct 1989Ali, Laila MD: Apr 2000
Ali, Muhammed MF: Dec 1979
Allen, Craig HS: Dec 9, 1954
Allen, Drorit WPP: Sep/Oct- 1988r
WPW: Jan 1989r
MD: Jul 1990Allen, J.G. HS: Dec 21, 1940 Apr 19, 1941
Allen, Mark Sports Fitness Nov 1985
Allen, Richard Adonis Dec 1954r
(see Alan,Richard) MP: Feb 1955Allen, Robert HS: Dec 1, 1960
Aliscia, Mishel Sports Fitness Jul 1986
Almodovar, Joey PLUSA Mar 1997
Alt, Carol Sports Fitness Jan 1987
Altizer, Bettina PLUSA: Jun 1991 Nov 1994
Alves, Troy NPC: Jul 1997
Alzado, Lyle MF: Nov 1990
PLUSA: May 1984
SportsFit: Jan 1985Posted by TheEditor @ 07:16 PM CST
5/8/2009: Letter from Charles A. Smith to Joe Roark, May 5, 1988, part 2.
Thursday, May 7, 2009
Letter from Charles A. Smith to Joe Roark, May 5, 1988, part 2.
Re the Honest, Upright etc etc. A bloody hypocrite. He KNEW what stunts Hoffie was pulling, how Hoffie had his way with the judges and influenced the choice of Mr. America Winners and SAID SO IN LETTERS TO ME but he NEVER ONCE DID A bloody thing about it. He also knew, all along about blokes in physique shows working queers and he HAD TO as a member of the Central Committee.
There is a little poem which I am sure I am quoting incorrectly. It goes thus,
They are cowards, who will choose,
Hatred, scoffing and abuse,
Rather than be,
In the right with two or three.I have little time for him. Maybe my judgment is a harsh one, but he had the means to combat what was going on and paid mere lip service to the abuses that were going on and naught else.
HE KNEW WHO THE CULPRITS WERE ALL ALONG. INCLUDING THAT CERTAIN MR. AMERICA whose fee was 75 per night. Did he have less knowledge of what was going on than I did? No, he didn't. He was privy to the inner councils, being one of them.
You have been asked why an intelligent bloke like you maintains an interest in the sport. Ask yourself why a 77 year old dumb arse like me maintains an interest. The mistake most people make is in thinking that all this 'immorality' is NEW. IT ISN'T. IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AS LONG AS LIFTING and hasn't been confined to lifting alone but to ALL sports who 'work' queers. Don't tell me. I have worked in vice and narcotics and I KNOW how the slimy little sods--juveniles--would hang around the local bus stations or public toilets and 'work' queers. It's a nasty world we live in Joe, a nasty world.
The sport isn't to blame for the inherent or seemingly inherent something that seems to attract the lazy immoral types to it. IT'S OUR CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION THAT IS TO BLAME, this 'Make a buck fast and easy' philosophy that is hurled at us day after day. 'You TOO can be President' type of crap and this overpowering drive to 'GET RICH QUICK, BE A MILLIONAIRE' stuff we are soaked in. It's all bloody false, and nonsense, and greed causing.
H&S was part of a company publishing many magazines. The most successful they ran was THE EXCHANGE AND BAZAAR MART, a publication in which people placed small ads, for which a good price was asked, saying what they had to sell or trade. Johnson, the editor, is the one I had most contact with, Can't recall what his first name was now, but I think his initials were D.J. He finally fell from grace when as a fire watcher during the Blitz, he got involved with a 16 year old girl during the war and was giving her flesh injections and got hauled over the coals for it. However, when I visited him at the H&S offices in 1951, he was still in the saddle. H&S, and you really should get some of the old issues in the early 1900's, was actually a PHYSICAL CULTURE mag rather than a pure and simple lifting mag. It catered to most sports of a physical culture nature. It would be immensely rewarding to you in an historical sense since you'd be amazed at the activity- thousands of clubs in the London area alone and catering to some form of physical activity and for WOMEN as well as men. So let not the Wanking Wunder of the Wooded and Landed Hill convince you HE started it all. To which claim I say loudly BULLSHIT.
Bert ASSIRATI. Now there was a powerful man and a good wrestler. He taught me wrestling and was none too gentle about it, teaching me the 'facts of life' as he put it, by breaking my nose--TWICE!
It was Bert who got me into lifting by sending me to Joe.
I don't know what date that H&S you have that mentioned Bert being ruined by a Hindu wrestler, but if it was PRIOR to 1940, or during the 1940's, pay it no heed. Bert was never pinned in a SHOOT match in 25 years. Let me explain fully.
In pro wrestling you WORK. That is you go through the motions of a serious bout although it is as serious as the Wanker's promises. You just WORK and make it look genuine. But there are the SHOOT matches which are indeed serious as amateur wrestling matches are. These ALWAYS take place in private. I have seen only one shoot match before the public. This was in the late 1930's in which an old wrestler, Karl Pojello, met with a young Hindu wrestler who called himself Rajah Ranji. The Hindu wouldn't go down to Pojello, that is he wouldn't lose a fall to him, so they shot and to the spectators it was murder, as dull as the proverbial dishwater. But to those who KNEW wresting, it was the best match they had seen.
Bert had a policy. He'd 'put' you over if you were wrestling him. That is, he'd make you look good. Then you paid. He always won, apart from an occasional 'draw' with some well known foreign wrestler from the States or Europe who had a rep. But otherwise Bert would shoot with anyone and win.
The first time Bert was pinned in 25 years was when he went to India in the early 1950's. He was in a gym working out with some Hindu wrestlers and they decided to shoot for the hell of it. Bert said they wrestled for around two minutes, feeling one another out, when suddenly the Hindu he was wrestling went behind him and took him down so fast he couldn't believe it had happened. Name of Hindu wrestler forgotten by me. I did know his name once.
The Hindus had a rep for not wanting to lose to ANYONE. Joe Kalcewicz, the wrestling old timer and promoter in San Francisco got me to contact the manager of a troupe of Hindu wrestlers and finally brought them over to San Fran, but Joe soon got rid of them. None of them would 'do businesses'. They wouldn't 'work' and all wanted to either win or SHOOT.
TTFN,
Chas.
Posted by TheEditor @ 08:59 PM CST
